Archive for October, 2014

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 4

Oct 9th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | 2 comments »

If you are just now coming into this series late you can read part 1, part 2 and part 3 to catch up.    Today I have done comparisons on full body drawings of the correct markings section of the standard.   Apparently, in addition to only being able to draw ear and tail sets so many ways, there are also only “so many ways” you can draw markings on a Papillon.    I think it’s safe to say that anyone that has been in Papillons for even 5 minutes would find this laughable.

I’m also getting much better at being able to resize the items for even better alignment.    I wish I could manage to get scans of both at the same size so that no resizing would be necessary.  That would be eye-opening, no doubt.

Like in previous posts we will be seeing both originals and then the comparison.

Carlson Correct Markings 1

Carlson Correct Markings 1

 

Pinke Correct Markings 1

Pinke Correct Markings 1

 

Correct Markings Compare 1

Correct Markings Compare 1

 

 


 

 

Carlson Correct Markings 2

Carlson Correct Markings 2

 

Pinke Correct Markings 2

Pinke Correct Markings 2

 

Correct Markings Compare 3

Correct Markings Compare 3

 


 

 

Carlson Correct Markings 3

Carlson Correct Markings 3

 

Pinke Correct Markings 3

Pinke Correct Markings 3

 

Correct Markings Compare 3

Correct Markings Compare 3

 

I’m not really sure how many more of these are necessary to make the point that this goes well beyond being able to draw a dog only a certain way and into little more than tracing existing images.   If anyone has a particular image from the IS that they want me to compare, I’ll be happy to do that.

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 3

Oct 7th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | 4 comments »

If you have missed the first installments of this series you can catch up by reading part 1 and part 2.  Today we are going to be looking at comparisons of 3 different images.

For these comparisons there will be a copy of each original and then an image with Nancy Pinke’s original superimposed over the “new” drawing.   Unfortunately, these were not scanned in at the exact same size so Nancy’s drawings look a bit washed out when enlarged to the same size as the other one.    Shrinking the Carlson ones would make it very hard to see the images properly since the images are already relatively small to begin with.

This first set of images is of the Correct Papillon Head.

 

Carlson Correct Papillon Head

Carlson Correct Papillon Head

 

Pinke Correct Papillon Head

Pinke Correct Papillon Head

 

Correct Papillon Head Compare

Correct Papillon Head Compare

 

Next we have the Correct Phalene Head.

Carlson Correct Phalene Head

Carlson Correct Phalene Head

 

pinke correct  phalene head

Pinke Correct Phalene Head

 

Correct Phalene Compare

Correct Phalene Compare

 

Finally, we have the Domed Papillon Head.

 

Carlson Domed Head

Carlson Domed Head

 

Pinke Domed Head

Pinke Domed Head

 

I was having difficulty getting this particular one to line up.  Usually they just fall right into place on top of each other, so I thought maybe there was some original work here.  I got the ears to line up really nicely, but as you can see the face is a bit of a mess.

Domed Head Compare 1

Domed Head Compare 1

Then I tried it from the opposite way.  Using the face to line things up rather than the ears and boom, it lined up right into place with just a small adjustment in sizing.

domed head compare 2

Domed Head Compare 2

 

Next installment will be more comparisons.  I might mix it up a bit because it’s kind of boring doing the same type of comparisons over and over when the results are so predictable.

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 2

Oct 7th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | one comment »

Deirdre Ashdown saw the postings on various facebook pages and posted a copy of her skeleton drawing.   I couldn’t resist comparing that to the “new” one, naturally 🙂  Below are those comparisons.  First we have the original of both skeletons.

ashdown skeleton

Ashdown Skeleton

carlson skeleton

Carlson Skeleton

 

This time I will start with the one area you can actually tell is different…the tail.    I’m not sure whether  it’s Mr. Carlson’s lack of experience with Papillons so he drew the skeleton how he imagined it would look based on the furred tail that he was seeing in pictures or if someone suggested to him that the tail set in the original was wrong.  I do, personally find it interesting that the tail set is the only clear change in the skeleton and it’s a rather dramatic one at that.   Maybe someone was specially a dog with a rather loose tail set those years or something 😉   As you will see from the comparison below, the drawings are virtually identical until the point where the tail set changes in the “new” version.

skeleton tail comparison

Skeleton Tail Comparison

 

I don’t think there is much commentary necessary on the rest of these comparisons.   On facebook, I mentioned the very professional hand lettering on the “new” skeleton.  Deirdre hypothesized that it was one way to make it seem less like a direct copy.  That makes sense…the way that you can only draw an ear set one way makes sense, so I’m sure she’s probably on to something 😉

 

skeleton Skull Comparison

Skeleton Skull Comparison

 

skeleton ribs comparison

Skeleton Ribs Comparison

 

full skeleton comparison

Full Skeleton Comparison

 

Up next, I will be starting to compare the 2 versions of the Illustrated Standard image by image.

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 1

Oct 7th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | 2 comments »

I have been posting some of this stuff on my facebook page, but it is a little hard to follow things there as timelines move fast and putting items further down in the comments makes it hard for people that come into the conversation later to find the info.  So I’ve decided to go ahead and just dust off my long neglected blog for a little while.  I’m sure the Board will be thrilled to learn this 😉

This first post, I’m just going to repost the items I put up on facebook, so everyone coming here can be on the same page, so to speak.   In following posts, I will be providing further comparisons.  I now have a copy of both the IS that was on the PCA webpage and the booklet put out by Nancy Pinke and Charlotte McGowan.

Let the games begin, as they say 😉

In 2009, I was sent a graphic (shown below) and asked what I thought.  Just eyeballing it, I could tell that it was pretty much the same drawing, but I went further than that and took the “new” drawing (the one on the right) and superimposed it over the original (the one on the left).   These images are the result of that little experiment.  I’ve had them sitting around since 2009 in case this issue ever raised it’s ugly head again.

Illustrated Standard Comparioson

Illustrated Standard Comparison 2009

 

The new drawing is not the exact same size as the original, so initially I took the images the sizes they are above and simply moved the “new” one around to various places on the original to see how they matched up.   The following images are the results of that test.  Clicking on any of the images will make them larger.

 

head comparison

Head Comparison

 

neck comparison

Neck Comparison

 

front legs comparison

Front Legs Comparison

 

back legs comparison

Back Legs Comparison

 

culottes comparison

Culottes Comparison

 

In the tail comparison, you can see that even though the “new” tail is larger, the divot in the tail lines up.

tail comparison

Tail Comparison

 

Once I had the above images done, I decided to try and resize the “new” image to see how close I could get them.   I suspect if I had the percentage that the “new” image was enlarged I could lay it over the original pretty much perfectly.   I didn’t do too bad a job just guessing, as you can see below.

 

new image resized

“New” Image Resized

 

One of the arguments for the drawings looking so similar is that there is only “so many ways you can draw a particular ear set or tail set etc.”  In other words, there is really only so many ways you can draw a Papillon.   Anyone that has ever done are or looked at Papillon art knows this might be the lamest excuse ever given.   I think a 5 year old could probably come up with something better.   For my facebook post, I grabbed some random images off a google search to show that excuse had no credence.  I’m not going to post all of them here, but I will post a couple that I used for another comparison.

First we have a drawing we have all seen I’m sure.  It’s the Papillon on the AKC page:

AKC Papillon

Papillon Illustration from AKC Page

 

Here we have a comparison I did with the original drawing from the standard to show that just because a dog is in the same type of post doesn’t mean it will line up exactly with another one drawn in the same pose (even though that should be common sense).   The head is not facing straight forward in the AKC Papillon illustration so the front is slightly different, but the rear gives you a very good idea.

AKC pap vs IS pap

AKC Papillon vs Illustrated Standard Papillon

 

In part 2 of this series, I will be showing comparisons of the skeleton drawing done by Deirdre Ashdown and the one from the IS.