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PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 6

Nov 17th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | one comment »

In this post, I would like to cover some of the things that have been said by the Board, specifically the President, Kevin Ray and also several parts of the contract with Fredrick Carlson.

According to the contract with Mr. Carlson his assignment was:

Create a new set of Papillon standards art pieces per booklet used since 1991

Artwork will be black and white pencil drawings similar to Welsh Corgi and Yorkshire Terrier and Border Collie pieces shown by PCA.  Some color pieces to be determined by committee.

References from old booklet plus UK standards book ordered should be sufficient for most of the drawings.

 

The contact goes on to say (emphasis mine):

Including the cover, as this existing booklet is laid out there are spaces for 31 full-body views.  With the possibility of rescanning a correct full side view and re-using it 6 times that leaves the task of 26 new artworks I call ‘full-body’ views.

In yet another section it continues (emphasis mine):

In the existing booklet there are spaces for 48 small drawings (heads, head/eyes, muzzles, teeth, rear, feet, tail, face faults, etc.).  It looks like 4 drawings can be re-used by scanning and re-editing into new positions in the booklet, so this leaves the task of 44 new artworks I call ‘small’ views.

 

Here is a  quote from PCA President, Kevin Ray (emphasis in the original):

The current Papillon Illustrated Standard was produced from the original artwork of Fred Carlson and the language used in the last illustrated standard that was written for PCA.

First, from the sound of the of the Assignment section it sounds like someone (PCA? Stan Sohn?  Fredrick Carlson?) specifically ordered a copy of the commonly called CISPAP written by Mike Foster and Deirdre Ashdown.

cispap

CISPAP

 

Since there are plenty of photos of Papillons out there, why would they need to use yet another standards book for reference so badly that they specifically ordered it for references?   An artist should definitely look at many resource photos and maybe even initially try to copy them, but in the end they put their own style in their drawings.   This was obviously not done here, because Mr. Carlson’s drawings are instantly recognizable as Nancy Pinke’s artwork.   Having been an artist since 1980 according to his signature file on the IS contract, he certainly should have developed his own style by 2006-07.

Second, if you notice the portions of the contract that I have bolded, they talk about re-using Nancy’s original work in the new standard.   Under what definition does re-using another artists work does this equal original?    Even if Mr. Carlson’s work for the IS had been completely original, PCA would still have been guilty of copyright infringement on at least 2 pieces of Nancy’s work.

The Board has no regard for copyright as shown in the Board Meeting Minutes from April 13, 2007:

The Pembroke Welsh Corgi Club of America gave their permission, after the fact, to PCA to use their glossary format, which had been taken directly from their standard without prior permission requested.

 

The Board has also been playing the “only so many ways you can draw a Papillon card since the beginning and Kevin has specifically stated:

There is only one way to draw the ear set, tail set, topline, etc of a papillon as outlined in the breed standard & therefore artists renderings will be similar.

Deirdre was kind enough to send us some example of her work from CISPAP to show how ridiculous this claim is.

As a reminder here are Nancy Pinke’s illustration from the original IS and Fredrick Carlson’s “original” from the new IS:

 

Illustrated Standard Comparioson

Illustrated Standard Comparison 2009

 

Here is a body illustration and a tail set illustration done by Deirdre:

Deirdre Ashdown Body 1

Deirdre Ashdown Body 1

 

Deirdre Ashdown Tail Set

Deirdre Ashdown Tail Set

 

Due to the difference in the poses I can’t really compare those to Nancy’s originals, but this one is a better pose for comparison:

 

Deirdre Ashdown Body 2

Deirdre Ashdown Body 2

 

One other thing, this illustration also shows that Papillons don’t have the same markings, which I think anyone that owns or has ever seen more than one Papillon already knows, yet oddly Carlson’s Papillons all have the exact same markings as Nancy’s.  You can find a comparison in part 4.

 

So here it is:

DA-NP comparison

Comparison

 

As you can see it’s not really close at all, yet you can see from the one up above it’s definitely a Papillon and it certainly looks like it fits the standard.   There were 2 areas that I could get to align, the chest and the topline.  I chose the chest because it was a larger area.    You can see that both drawings have the same general outline/shape yet they are not anywhere close to identical.

Unlike these illustrations:

full skeleton comparison

Full Skeleton Comparison

 

new image resized

“New” Image Resized

 

Here are several head illustrations.  They were not the right pose for comparisons either, so I will just show you a refresher illustration from Nancy and Carlson and then the 2 from Deirdre.

Pinke Correct Papillon Head

Pinke Correct Papillon Head

 

Carlson Correct Papillon Head

Carlson Correct Papillon Head

 

Deirdre Ashdown Head 2

Deirdre Ashdown Head 2

 

Deirdre Ashdown Head 1

Deirdre Ashdown Head 1

 

That’s it for now.  Please remember to let other PCA members know about this issue as this is a voting year!

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 4

Oct 9th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | 2 comments »

If you are just now coming into this series late you can read part 1, part 2 and part 3 to catch up.    Today I have done comparisons on full body drawings of the correct markings section of the standard.   Apparently, in addition to only being able to draw ear and tail sets so many ways, there are also only “so many ways” you can draw markings on a Papillon.    I think it’s safe to say that anyone that has been in Papillons for even 5 minutes would find this laughable.

I’m also getting much better at being able to resize the items for even better alignment.    I wish I could manage to get scans of both at the same size so that no resizing would be necessary.  That would be eye-opening, no doubt.

Like in previous posts we will be seeing both originals and then the comparison.

Carlson Correct Markings 1

Carlson Correct Markings 1

 

Pinke Correct Markings 1

Pinke Correct Markings 1

 

Correct Markings Compare 1

Correct Markings Compare 1

 

 


 

 

Carlson Correct Markings 2

Carlson Correct Markings 2

 

Pinke Correct Markings 2

Pinke Correct Markings 2

 

Correct Markings Compare 3

Correct Markings Compare 3

 


 

 

Carlson Correct Markings 3

Carlson Correct Markings 3

 

Pinke Correct Markings 3

Pinke Correct Markings 3

 

Correct Markings Compare 3

Correct Markings Compare 3

 

I’m not really sure how many more of these are necessary to make the point that this goes well beyond being able to draw a dog only a certain way and into little more than tracing existing images.   If anyone has a particular image from the IS that they want me to compare, I’ll be happy to do that.

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 3

Oct 7th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | 4 comments »

If you have missed the first installments of this series you can catch up by reading part 1 and part 2.  Today we are going to be looking at comparisons of 3 different images.

For these comparisons there will be a copy of each original and then an image with Nancy Pinke’s original superimposed over the “new” drawing.   Unfortunately, these were not scanned in at the exact same size so Nancy’s drawings look a bit washed out when enlarged to the same size as the other one.    Shrinking the Carlson ones would make it very hard to see the images properly since the images are already relatively small to begin with.

This first set of images is of the Correct Papillon Head.

 

Carlson Correct Papillon Head

Carlson Correct Papillon Head

 

Pinke Correct Papillon Head

Pinke Correct Papillon Head

 

Correct Papillon Head Compare

Correct Papillon Head Compare

 

Next we have the Correct Phalene Head.

Carlson Correct Phalene Head

Carlson Correct Phalene Head

 

pinke correct  phalene head

Pinke Correct Phalene Head

 

Correct Phalene Compare

Correct Phalene Compare

 

Finally, we have the Domed Papillon Head.

 

Carlson Domed Head

Carlson Domed Head

 

Pinke Domed Head

Pinke Domed Head

 

I was having difficulty getting this particular one to line up.  Usually they just fall right into place on top of each other, so I thought maybe there was some original work here.  I got the ears to line up really nicely, but as you can see the face is a bit of a mess.

Domed Head Compare 1

Domed Head Compare 1

Then I tried it from the opposite way.  Using the face to line things up rather than the ears and boom, it lined up right into place with just a small adjustment in sizing.

domed head compare 2

Domed Head Compare 2

 

Next installment will be more comparisons.  I might mix it up a bit because it’s kind of boring doing the same type of comparisons over and over when the results are so predictable.

PCA Illustrated Standard Debacle ~ Part 2

Oct 7th, 2014 Posted in Papillons | one comment »

Deirdre Ashdown saw the postings on various facebook pages and posted a copy of her skeleton drawing.   I couldn’t resist comparing that to the “new” one, naturally 🙂  Below are those comparisons.  First we have the original of both skeletons.

ashdown skeleton

Ashdown Skeleton

carlson skeleton

Carlson Skeleton

 

This time I will start with the one area you can actually tell is different…the tail.    I’m not sure whether  it’s Mr. Carlson’s lack of experience with Papillons so he drew the skeleton how he imagined it would look based on the furred tail that he was seeing in pictures or if someone suggested to him that the tail set in the original was wrong.  I do, personally find it interesting that the tail set is the only clear change in the skeleton and it’s a rather dramatic one at that.   Maybe someone was specially a dog with a rather loose tail set those years or something 😉   As you will see from the comparison below, the drawings are virtually identical until the point where the tail set changes in the “new” version.

skeleton tail comparison

Skeleton Tail Comparison

 

I don’t think there is much commentary necessary on the rest of these comparisons.   On facebook, I mentioned the very professional hand lettering on the “new” skeleton.  Deirdre hypothesized that it was one way to make it seem less like a direct copy.  That makes sense…the way that you can only draw an ear set one way makes sense, so I’m sure she’s probably on to something 😉

 

skeleton Skull Comparison

Skeleton Skull Comparison

 

skeleton ribs comparison

Skeleton Ribs Comparison

 

full skeleton comparison

Full Skeleton Comparison

 

Up next, I will be starting to compare the 2 versions of the Illustrated Standard image by image.

Is a Papillon the Right Breed For Me?

Aug 24th, 2011 Posted in Papillons | no comment »

A funny title for someone that has a bunch of Papillons, eh?   I know Papillons are right for me, but a lot of people come to my page with questions about Paps, so I decided to make a Squidoo lens to try and help answer some of those questions.

We spent a lot of years doing Papillon rescue and have/had many of our permanent resident dogs become residents because they were “unadoptable” rescues.   We love the little guys here, but they are not right for everyone.

A couple other things before you go, if you agree and want to expand on something I said or disagree with something I have said and want to offer a differing point of view, please feel free to post your perspective in the comments at the bottom of the page.   I’m happy to have other perspectives for potential Papillon owners to read.   I just want informed folks out there so Papillons are getting into good homes that are prepared to take care of them.

There is a poll where you can weigh in on the side of the Papillon or the Phalene.

Finally, if you buy anything recommended on my lens a portion of the proceeds automatically go to the National Wildlife Federation Alaska Regional Center.   They are a group dedicated to Alaska conservation issues, including clean and renewable energy solutions, sustainable tourism, global warming solutions, the cultivation of youth conservation leaders, green jobs, and getting kids outdoors. (You will notice that this can be verified at the very top of the page near the ranking that is automatically done by the system.  I have no control over it).

If you wonder if they are right for you or you just want to see what I had to say, head on over to my Squidoo lens Is a Papillon the Right Breed for Me?

The Big Room

Jul 3rd, 2011 Posted in Chihuahuas, Papillons | no comment »

Teq does not yet get full access to the entire house for safety reasons (she is pretty small) and she also doesn’t get full access to the backyard like the other dogs yet.  So when she gets to go out in the full back yard we say she is thinking “wow this is a really big room” (yes we are anthropomorphizing, it’s part of the fun of owning a pet) 😛

She burns a lot (A LOT) of energy in “the big room” so I am starting to let her go out there more often now that she is a bit older and has shown she has no desire to try and get under the deck or any of the other teeny, tiny places that small dogs shouldn’t be going, but Papillons all seemed to think were the best places EVAH when they were puppies (I finally learned by the time we got the chihuahua!).

Here are some pictures of the Chihuahua and her Papillon siblings in “the big room” over the weekend (some comments follow):

Pictures of Bun without headgear..it’s a festivus miracle!  Poor Bun, hopefully the allergy shots will start working and he can be permanently headgear free.   I’ve managed to keep some fringe on him despite the headgear (not an easy feat), so you can imagine how much fringe he’d have if he wasn’t wearing that thing 24/7 for the last couple years.   He’s a good boy.   You can see Teq taking advantage of his temporary headgearlessness to jump on his head.   He prefers to play with her WITH the headgear on (I don’t blame him, her baby teeth are sharp).

Kendall is getting so red, which I do not understand, because I don’t see her incessantly licking , but from the looks of her legs you would think that is ALL she does.  She is going to be 9 and is a pet, so it’s not really a battle I am planning to fight, but it’s slightly perplexing.

A picture of camera shy Obie with his *great* front *cough*   That was one of the few times when he has actually posed for a shot.  Usually he runs when he sees the camera. Maybe the prozac is working.

Bed-A-Palooza!

May 20th, 2011 Posted in Crafts, Papillons | no comment »

Mooshey and Teq loved the beds I made them so much that I decided to make some beds for a couple of my friends.    I spent a couple weeks sewing beds (because I am a s l o w sewer lol) and finally I sent them all off.  I was rewarded with these great pictures of Papillon Bed-A-Palooza!    There are a couple pics I took of just beds included here too.   Click on the pictures to view them larger.

Cajun’s Memorial

Feb 23rd, 2011 Posted in Papillons | no comment »

We got Cajun’s memorial stone from the same place we have gotten Ruthie’s, Zach’s and Otter’s.  Adirondack Stone Works

Our vet clinic also did something different for us this time that we have not had done before, but I really appreciated it.    When you board your dog/cat you have the option to sign them up for “arts and crafts.”   The thought of this was so funny to me, so even though we have never boarded any of our guys I asked what that was and was told you could get a paw print made and stuff like that.   So when John went to pick up Cajun’s ashes, they always had done a paw print of him for us.

You can’t tell in the picture, but the words on the dog house are “good dog.”    This turned out to be kind of funny and have special meaning for us.   We got Cajun and another foster on the same day.   The other foster was…difficult and Cajun was a very easy going dog, so I took to calling him the good dog (as opposed to the nono bad dog)  and it stuck so pretty soon he became Cajun Good Dog.

This is one of my favorite pictures of Cajun.  It looks like it’s sideways, but it’s actually the right way. He was sitting directly below my chair and I called his name and when he looked up I snapped the shot and got this one.

I miss him so much 🙁

Cajun at the Rainbow Bridge

Feb 23rd, 2011 Posted in Papillons | no comment »

It has taken me a while to be able to write this post.   On February 11, 2011, Cajun crossed over the Rainbow Bridge.   As some people know, he had a bad incident several weeks ago and we almost lost him.   At that time, we initially thought that he was finally in heart failure, but he rallied over night in the ICU and we took him to a cardiologist for a consult and an echocardiogram and they discovered that he actually had a tear in the heart muscle.

It was not really related to his enlarged heart, it was just a flukey thing that can happen.   The tear was already starting to heal and the vets felt that his prognosis was good given his recovery from it at that point.  He was given some new meds and would be treated as a CHF (Congestive Heart Failure) dog from that point on, something we had been trying hard to keep him out of AND were succeeding at thus far!

He was sent home with instructions for no activity for 2 weeks.   At 12 years old and with an enlarged heart, Cajun was not an overly active dog to begin with, so this wasn’t a big deal for him.   The first couple days he was a bit sluggish, but after that he was back to his old self and you would never have known he almost died a few days before.

He went almost a week without his trademark coughing something we (and I’m sure he) were very grateful for.   He started coughing again 1 week, to the day, of the incident and it was getting progressively worse, though not any worse than it usually was.  However, I made a vet appointment for him just to make sure he was not having any fluid build up.

On the 10th, we went to his vet appt and he had a great check up.  He was really happy and had a great day.   He did is signature trick, sneezing on command,  for Dr. Julie, our vet, which she was absolutely thrilled with.  She said she had never seen that before in all her years as a vet.    She was really happy with how he looked and how his heart and lungs sounded.    We got his meds refilled and left, happy with his progress and prognosis.

We went to Petco to pick up a few things and he got a new toy and got to walk around a bit in the parking lot, which he had great fun doing.  Then we drove through Wendy’s and he got his very own hamburger, which the dogs always enjoy as a special treat when we go out.    He was fine and happy the rest of the day at home.

When we got up the next day, he was clearly distressed about something.   I counted his respiration and it was no where near the danger zone and his gums were nice and pink.  I put a call in to my vet on her cell phone which I *never* do, but I was a bit panicky.   He seemed a bit nauseated so we gave him some pepto and he did settle down after that.   I told John to go ahead and go to work since everything seemed ok at that point.     He woke up in the afternoon and seemed better.  He was interested in having treats and I was able to give him his meds in some squeeze cheese, but almost as soon has he took them he became clearly nauseated and distressed again.

He also started coughing, but that was normal after having anything to eat.  He coughed off and on for about 90 minutes and finally settled down again on my bed.   I checked on him and he was laying near my pillows on his side.  His respiration was again not near the danger zone, so I left him there to rest, knowing he must be exhausted after the coughing episode.

When I went to check on him the next time, I found him passed away right where I had left him 🙁     I was (and still am) completely devastated 🙁    He had such a good day the day before, which is a blessing, but it’s SO hard to lose him the very next day.

Our vet thinks it was probably the “cord” in one of the values in the heart that snapped (which they suspected with the first incident that turned out to be the tear) or that he threw a clot.   We will never know for sure, but she says that fact that his respiration never went into the danger zone and his gums stayed pink is a good sign that he did not suffer (ie: suffocate/die painfully) and he probably just kind of faded away.

Cajun was loved and he is very deeply missed.

Bun’s Birthday Toy

Dec 31st, 2010 Posted in Papillons | no comment »

Bun picked a blue squeeky kitty cat out of the Big Toy Box for his birthday.   We have a big box of toys in the closet and the dogs (that play with toys) get to pick a toy of their choice out of it on special occasions.   The dogs that do not play with toys get something else on special occasions.  For example, Polo likes to have a cheeseburger from McDonald’s on his special days 😉

Anyway, here is Bun with his special day choice.